[popo]

Es gibt aber auch no flush niacin – glaube das ist aber nicht ganz so effektiv guckst du hier:

http://shop.vitaminwelten.de/niacin—niacinamid–b-3–c-224.html

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva

[popo]

wird optimalerweise zusätzlich zu den metropulsen gegeben…

LG
Mußt mal im ami forum gucken – ich glaube unter den protokollen

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva

[popo]

Tja da fragen wir uns gegen was Azi und Metro sonst noch gut wirken – Protozoen!!!!!!!!!!

Genau das vermute ich ja auch – hab ein wenig die babesien im auge, weil die auch borreliose ähnliche symptome machen. Passt mir n bißchen zu gut von den symptomen als das ich die nicht testen lasse. Auch das es mir unter Metro gut geht und auch unter clindamycin nach anfänglichem herx find ich passend. Wirkt nämlich auf die Biester….. Auch diese atemnot und dieses circadiane auftreten. Vielleicht sollten wir hier auch coinfektionen zu posten. Wer mag ergänzt die Liste gern. War sauschwer ein Labor für Babesien zu finden. Hab 3 h heut dafür gebraucht. Wenn wir unsere Krankheit nicht managen , wer dann?

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva

[popo]

Hallo sunny !

Das ist doch mal ne gute Nachricht! Wieviele dieser Würmer sind denn bei dir schon abgegangen?
Was für eine Wurmkur machst du jetzt? Stromectol/Ivermectin? Und wieviel am Tag?
Kann gut sein wenn die Würmer wegsind, das Antibiotika wieder verträglich für dich sind.
Die pferdepaste war das nur Ivermectin oder die kombi mit pratziquantel?
Haste die Würmer vorher nie gesehen?
Im übrigen sagte ich das es angeblich bei CFS also nicht nur unbedingt bei CPN oftmals Würmer mit im Spiel sind.

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva

[popo]

Ich hab das gepostet weil Siriam (der neurologe/vanderbuilt) und Kollege von stratton dieses sehr gerne gegen cpn einsetzt, und die meisten einen extremen boost dadurch erfahren, auch wenn es wohl ziemlich ungemütlich werden kann…

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva

[popo]

Thus these semi-synthetic rifamycins were 10- to 1,000-fold more active than azithromycin and levofloxacin.

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva

[popo]

Hallo Ilka!

Ich stimme dir voll und ganz zu ! Das soll sich nicht nach Zensur anhören, aber im Hinblick darrauf das hier wohl auch Ärzte mitlesen, ist so ein Text u.U. kontraproduktiv. Nach dem Motto Herr Dr. gucken Sie sich mal die Seite an und der stößt auf einen alten kontraproduktiven Artikel. Also ich halte mehr von Dr.Stratton und der Vanderbuilt Uni aka The Mothership und deren „neueren“ Studien als von irgendwelchen Dr. Doolittles die uns bislang nicht geholfen haben.

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva

[popo]

IgG bei Zweitinfektionen sofort in Aktion. Tritt dieselbe Infektion aber noch einmal auf, so werden IgG Antikörper sehr schnell und in sehr großer Menge produziert, um den erneuten Ausbruch einer Erkrankung zu verhindern.

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva

[popo]

Für die ms zweifler sind unten die Publikationen angegeben. kannste ja dort posten….

lg

https://medschool.mc.vanderbilt.edu/facultydata/php_files/part_dept/show_faculty/show_partpathology.php?id3=971

Faculty Information Stratton, Charles W., M.D.

Stratton, Charles W., M.D.

Position: Associate Professor; Director, Clinical Microbiology

Department: Pathology

Lab Url: N/A

Phone Number: (615) 343-9063

Email Address: charles.stratton@vanderbilt.edu

Office Address Mailing Address
4525 The Vanderbilt Clinic
4525 TVC The Vanderbilt Clinic 5310

Disease Interests
Infectious Diseases and Clinical Microbiology

Research Specialty
Pathogenesis of Chlamydia pneumoniae

Research Description
Emerging infectious diseases are a recognized problem in clinical medicine. Chlamydia pneumoniae was first recognized in 1988 as a cause of community acquired respiratory tract infections. Since then, this unique pathogen has been associated with a number of chronic diseases, including atherosclerosis and asthma. The pathogenesis of Chlamydia pneumoniae and its role in chronic inflammatory diseases as a cause of secondary infection worsening the original inflammatory process is the basis of current research efforts.

Publications

Sriram S, Stratton CW, Yao S, Tharp A, Bannan JD, Ding L, Mitchell WM. Chlamydia pneumoniae infection of the central nervous system in multiple sclerosis. Annals of Neurology, 46:6-14, 1999.
Stratton CW, Wheldon DB. Multiple sclerosis: an infectious syndrome involving Chlamydophila pneumoniae.. Trends Microbiol, , , 2006

Sriram, S., Yao, S.Y., Stratton, C.W., Moses, H. Narayana, P.A., Wolinsky, J.S.. Pilot study to examine the effect of antibiotic therapy on MRI outcomes in RRMS. . J. Neurol. Sci. , 234, 87-91, 2005

Alberts GL, Mitchell WM, Stratton CW, Franke JJ. Interstitial cystitis: can Chlamydia pneumoniae be a cause?. Infections in Urology, 16, 19-21, 2003

Sams HH, Mitchell WM, Stratton CW, King LE. Culture and immunhistochemical evidence of Chlamydia pneumoniae in pyoderma gangrenosum. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 48, 966-969, 2003

Sriram S, Yao S, Mitchell WM, Calibresi P, Stratton CW, Ikejima H, Yamamoto Y. Comparative study of the presence of Chlamydia pneumoniae in cerebrospinal fluid from clinically definite and monosympomatic muliple sclerosis patinets. Clinical and Diagnostic Laboratory Immunology, 9, 1332-1337, 2003

Stratton CW, Sriram S. Association of Chlamydia pneumoniae with central nervous system disease.. Microbes Infect. , 5(13), 1249-1253, 2003

King LE Jr, Stratton CW, Mitchell WM. Chlamydia pneumoniae and chronic skin infections: a focused review. Journal of Investigative Dermatology Symposium Proceedings, 6, 233-237, 2002

King LE Jr, Bushman T, Stratton CW, Mitchell WM. Diabetic foot ulcers and Chlamydia pneumoniae: innocent bystander or opportunistic pathogen. Archives of Dermatology, 42, 295-297, 2001

Yao SY, Rose A, Stratton CW, Mitchell WM, Sriram S. Regulation by beta interferon of inducible nitric oxide synthase and interleukin 12/p40 in murine macrophages exposed to Chlamydia pneumoniae antigens. Journal of Interferon and Cytokine Research, 21, 137-146, 2001

Yoa S, Stratton CW, Mitchell WM, Sriram S. Cerebral spinal fluid oligoclonal bands in multiple sclerosis represent antibodies against Chlamydiophila. Neurology, 56, 1168-1176, 2001

Vannucci SA, Mithcell WM, Stratton CW, King LE Jr. Pyoderma gangrenosum and Chlamydia pneumoniae infection in a diabetic man: pahtognic role or coincidence?. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 42, 295-297, 2000

Stratton CW, Warner RR, Coudron PE, Lilly NA. Bismuth- mediated disruption of the glycocalyx-cell wall of Helicobacter pylori ultrastructure evidence for a mechanism of action for bismuth salts. Journal of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy , 43, 659-666, 1999

Coudron PE, Stratton CW. In-vitro evaluation of nitrofurantoin as an alternative agent for metronidazole in combination antimicrobial therapy against Helicobacter pylori. Journal of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy, 42, 657-660, 1998

Sriram S, Mitchell W, Stratton C. Multiple sclerosis associated with Chlamydia pneumoniae infection of the CNS. Neurology, 50, 571-573, 1998

Norris SR, Stratton CW, Kernodle DS. Production of A and C variants of staphylococcal beta-lactamase by methicillin-resistant strains of Staphylococcus aureus. Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy , 38, 1649-1650, 1994

Macon WR, Lo SC, Poiesz BJ, Montefiori DC, Masn TE, Michael PR, Cohen AG, Davis CM, Cousar JM, Stratton CW. AIDS-like illness associated with Mycoplasma fermentans (incognetus strain) infection in an HIV-negative homosexual male. Human Pathology , 24, 554-557, 1993

Zygmunt DJ, Stratton CW, Kernodle DS. Characterization of four beta-lactamases produced by Staphylococcus aureus.. Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy , 36, 440-445, 1992

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva

[popo]

https://medschool.mc.vanderbilt.edu/facultydata/php_files/part_dept/show_faculty/show_partpathology.php?id3=971

Faculty Information Stratton, Charles W., M.D.

Stratton, Charles W., M.D.

Position: Associate Professor; Director, Clinical Microbiology

Department: Pathology

Lab Url: N/A

Phone Number: (615) 343-9063

Email Address: charles.stratton@vanderbilt.edu

Office Address Mailing Address
4525 The Vanderbilt Clinic
4525 TVC The Vanderbilt Clinic 5310

Disease Interests
Infectious Diseases and Clinical Microbiology

Research Specialty
Pathogenesis of Chlamydia pneumoniae

Research Description
Emerging infectious diseases are a recognized problem in clinical medicine. Chlamydia pneumoniae was first recognized in 1988 as a cause of community acquired respiratory tract infections. Since then, this unique pathogen has been associated with a number of chronic diseases, including atherosclerosis and asthma. The pathogenesis of Chlamydia pneumoniae and its role in chronic inflammatory diseases as a cause of secondary infection worsening the original inflammatory process is the basis of current research efforts.

Publications

Sriram S, Stratton CW, Yao S, Tharp A, Bannan JD, Ding L, Mitchell WM. Chlamydia pneumoniae infection of the central nervous system in multiple sclerosis. Annals of Neurology, 46:6-14, 1999.
Stratton CW, Wheldon DB. Multiple sclerosis: an infectious syndrome involving Chlamydophila pneumoniae.. Trends Microbiol, , , 2006

Sriram, S., Yao, S.Y., Stratton, C.W., Moses, H. Narayana, P.A., Wolinsky, J.S.. Pilot study to examine the effect of antibiotic therapy on MRI outcomes in RRMS. . J. Neurol. Sci. , 234, 87-91, 2005

Alberts GL, Mitchell WM, Stratton CW, Franke JJ. Interstitial cystitis: can Chlamydia pneumoniae be a cause?. Infections in Urology, 16, 19-21, 2003

Sams HH, Mitchell WM, Stratton CW, King LE. Culture and immunhistochemical evidence of Chlamydia pneumoniae in pyoderma gangrenosum. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 48, 966-969, 2003

Sriram S, Yao S, Mitchell WM, Calibresi P, Stratton CW, Ikejima H, Yamamoto Y. Comparative study of the presence of Chlamydia pneumoniae in cerebrospinal fluid from clinically definite and monosympomatic muliple sclerosis patinets. Clinical and Diagnostic Laboratory Immunology, 9, 1332-1337, 2003

Stratton CW, Sriram S. Association of Chlamydia pneumoniae with central nervous system disease.. Microbes Infect. , 5(13), 1249-1253, 2003

King LE Jr, Stratton CW, Mitchell WM. Chlamydia pneumoniae and chronic skin infections: a focused review. Journal of Investigative Dermatology Symposium Proceedings, 6, 233-237, 2002

King LE Jr, Bushman T, Stratton CW, Mitchell WM. Diabetic foot ulcers and Chlamydia pneumoniae: innocent bystander or opportunistic pathogen. Archives of Dermatology, 42, 295-297, 2001

Yao SY, Rose A, Stratton CW, Mitchell WM, Sriram S. Regulation by beta interferon of inducible nitric oxide synthase and interleukin 12/p40 in murine macrophages exposed to Chlamydia pneumoniae antigens. Journal of Interferon and Cytokine Research, 21, 137-146, 2001

Yoa S, Stratton CW, Mitchell WM, Sriram S. Cerebral spinal fluid oligoclonal bands in multiple sclerosis represent antibodies against Chlamydiophila. Neurology, 56, 1168-1176, 2001

Vannucci SA, Mithcell WM, Stratton CW, King LE Jr. Pyoderma gangrenosum and Chlamydia pneumoniae infection in a diabetic man: pahtognic role or coincidence?. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 42, 295-297, 2000

Stratton CW, Warner RR, Coudron PE, Lilly NA. Bismuth- mediated disruption of the glycocalyx-cell wall of Helicobacter pylori ultrastructure evidence for a mechanism of action for bismuth salts. Journal of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy , 43, 659-666, 1999

Coudron PE, Stratton CW. In-vitro evaluation of nitrofurantoin as an alternative agent for metronidazole in combination antimicrobial therapy against Helicobacter pylori. Journal of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy, 42, 657-660, 1998

Sriram S, Mitchell W, Stratton C. Multiple sclerosis associated with Chlamydia pneumoniae infection of the CNS. Neurology, 50, 571-573, 1998

Norris SR, Stratton CW, Kernodle DS. Production of A and C variants of staphylococcal beta-lactamase by methicillin-resistant strains of Staphylococcus aureus. Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy , 38, 1649-1650, 1994

Macon WR, Lo SC, Poiesz BJ, Montefiori DC, Masn TE, Michael PR, Cohen AG, Davis CM, Cousar JM, Stratton CW. AIDS-like illness associated with Mycoplasma fermentans (incognetus strain) infection in an HIV-negative homosexual male. Human Pathology , 24, 554-557, 1993

Zygmunt DJ, Stratton CW, Kernodle DS. Characterization of four beta-lactamases produced by Staphylococcus aureus.. Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy , 36, 440-445, 1992

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva

[popo]

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva

[popo]

Klasse Ilka !
Freue mich sehr das zu hören, Leber und Nieren werden ja durch ACC geschützt(glutathione precurser). Zusätzlich kann mann für die Leber auch UDC 400(Ursodeoxycholsäure einnehmen). Die Leber ist das Organ was uns am meisten verzeiht. Und lieber eine kurzfristige hohe Belastung als eine permanente dauerbelastung durch cpn – gelle?

Viel erfolg und weiter so.
Bei mir fangen die Erfolge erst richtig mit dem metro an.

LG

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva

[popo]

so z.B. beim Q-Fieber 2 jahre langzeittherapie mit doxy und chinolon oder 2×750 cipro + 2×300 Rifampicin…. na mahlzeit!
Da sind mir die momentanen ABX aber lieber……..
versuch macht kluch…..
LG

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva

[popo]

Naja wie ich mich fühle?
Mal so mal so – unter dem Clont teilweise hervorragend, dann wieder sehr schlecht, aber das mag daran liegen das ich ja auch noch Virale Coinfektionen habe.(Enterovirus chronisch)
Aber wie wir ja wissen , oder hoffen das die oppurtunistischen Trittbrettfahrer irgendwann verschwinden sollten wenn die infizierten Zellen des immunsystems erneuert werden. Erstaunlicherweise geht die Candida Serologie auch immer weiter zurück , trotz Antibiose, was sich genau mit dem deckt was Prof.Stratton/Vanderbilt sagt. Mit fortschreitender Apoptosis der kranken zellen im Immunsystem durch Chlamydia pneumoniae und der Neubildung von gesunden nicht durch cpn infizierten zellen, sollte das Immunsystem so stark werden die ganzen oppurtunistischen Erreger von allein zu bekämpfen.
(s.u.)

Einzig und allein irritiert mich mein hohes IgE. Aber das kann dauern. Es gibt Leute bei denen ist das IgE auch abartig hoch durch intrazelluläre Bakterien(z.b. Coxiella Burnetti). Vielleicht ist es auch nur ein Epiphänomen.
Werde sicherheitshalber in einiger Zeit noch mal eine Ivermectin kur (Antiparasitikum) machen, wie viele aus dem Cpnhelp forum, da einige Forscher behaupten 63% aller CFS Patienten hätten Mikrofillarien und ähnliches.

Also from the handbook:

Dr. Stratton now posits that the primary infection in Cpn is of the immunei system: immune cells & bone marrow.

It is this which, in part, causes such difficulty in getting rid of Cpn.
It also causes continuous reinfection if the full spectrum of Cpn infection is untreated.
It also lowers the body’s ability to cope with other bacterial and viral infectionsi.
This, in turn, fosters further sources of inflammationi, and even has the potential (through immuno-incompetence) to compromise the body’s ability to fight cancer and other diseasesi.

From this explanation it seems that we would expect that as the immune system cells are cleared of the CPn they become better able to respond to other infections.

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva

[popo]

Hast du ein erhöhtes IGE? Durchfall kann durch die porphyrine kommen. habe auch fast immer df.

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva

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