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Kein Nac und weitere Antioxidantien. Denn Arte wirkt durch Oxidation. Das wäre als wenn du zu einem Medikament denn dementsprechenden Antagonisten mit dazunimmst. Oder beser gesagt Arte wirkt wie ein Verrostungsmittel – mit Antirostmisteln (Nac,Seelen, Q 10, vit C etc.) bringts dann nicht allzuviel.
Tetrazyklin ist wesentlich empfindlicher auf milchprodukte als doxy.
ich würde allerdings auch zu doxy keine milchprodukte nehmen.
„Ich weiss einfach nicht, mein Spezi meint ich solle lieber Angst vor der
chron. Infektion als vor dem AB haben“Korrekt !!!!!!! ein chronischer Entzündungsprozess ist wesentlich schlimmer als Ab s. So auch Burrascano und etliche andere.
@sophisticat : Wie bist du deine Durchfälle los geworden ? LG
Und welche Erreger wurden bei dir festgestellt?
Hier noch mal ein paar gängige…
Coinfektionen – habt Ihr Euch mal auf die testen lassen?AnzeigenBearbeiten.1. Oktober 2008 – 17:03 – popo
COINFECTIONS: A SYNOPSISCompiled By: Melanie Reber
Babesiosis
Explanation: Protozoa that invade, infect, and kill the red blood cells
Symptoms: Fatigue, night sweats, fever, chills, weakness, weight loss, nausea, abdominal pain, diarrhea, cough, shortness of breath, headache, neck and back stiffness, dark urine or blood in urine
Treatment: Atovaquone (Mepron) plus Azithromycin (Zithromax), Clindamycin and oral Quinine
Other: Alternative treatment may include Riamet or ArtemisininBartonella
Explanation: Bartonella spp. bacterium
Symptoms: Fever, chills, headache and severe pain in the tibia, weight loss, sore throat, papular or angiomatous rash
Treatment: Erythromycin, plus a Fluoroquinolone or RifampinEhrlichiosis (HGE and HME)
Explanation: Rickettsiae that infect the white blood cells
Symptoms: Anemia, fever, chills, headache, muscle pain, rigors, gastrointestinal symptoms, anorexia, fatigue
Treatment: Doxycycline, RifampinRocky Mountain spotted fever
Explanation: Rickettsia rickettsii parasite that invades the cells lining the heart and blood vessels
Symptoms: High fever, severe headache (especially behind the eyes), maculopapular skin rash
Treatment: Tetracycline, Doxycycline, or ChloramphenicolColorado Tick Fever
Explanation: Reovirus that lodges inside the cells
Symptoms: High fever, chills, severe muscle aches, back pain, headache (especially behind the eyes), light sensitivities, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea
Treatment: No antiviral therapy is available
Other: Aspirin
Relapsing FeverExplanation: Borrelia hermsii spirochete
Symptoms: High fever, sudden chills, eye inflammationi, coughing, jaundice, petechial rash
Treatment: Tetracycline, Doxycycline, or ChloramphenicolTularemia
Explanation: Francisella tularensis bacterium
Symptoms: Painful and swollen lymph nodes, fever, chills, fatigue
Treatment: Tetracycline, ChloramphenicolPowassan encephalitisi
Explanation: Flavivirus that invades and infects the brain
Symptoms: Fever, headache, pain behind the eyes, light sensitivity, muscle weakness, seizures, paralysis, brain inflammation
Treatment: No effective treatmentTick Paralysis
Explanation: A toxic reaction to saliva from female ticks
Symptoms: Paralysis begins in legs and spreads throughout the body within hours
Treatment: Recovery is rapid following the removal of the tickMycoplasma
Explanation: A genus of small bacteria which lack cell walls. M. fermentans, M. pneumoniae, M. penetrans, M. hominis and M. genetalium
Symptoms: Fatigue, headaches, muscle pain and soreness, nausea, gastrointestinal problems, joint pain and soreness, lymph node pain, cognitive problems, depression, breathing problems and other signs and symptoms
Treatment: Slow-growing mycoplasmal infections are not rapidly susceptible to antibioticsi. Doxycycline, Minocycline, Ciprofloxacin, Azithromycin, and Clarithromycin may be used.http://www.allergyresearchgroup.com/proddesc/colorpdf/artemisinin_color1.pdf
Artemisinin, caps
(Item # 72160, 90 caps)
(Item # 75680, 300 caps)
Suggested Use
As a dietary supplement, 1 or 2 capsules, one or two
times daily before meals, or as directed by a healthcare
practitioner.
CAUTION: Not indicated for pregnant or nursing women.
Long-term administration (greater than 1 month) should
be monitored by a healthcare practitioner and include
liver enzymes and hemoglobin testing. Combining with
antioxidants or iron may theoretically decrease effectiveness.
Detoxification reactions may be experienced
by some individuals.
Serving Size: 2 CapsulesHi Fjord ! Will auch in Kürze Artemisinin nehmen. Deswegen hab ich mich darüber schon etwas schlau gemacht.
Wogegn sollst du Arte nehmen und welche Marke?
Zusätzliche Antioxidantien können mit dem Einsatz von Artemisinin aber kontraindiziert sein. Die Art der Maßnahme von Artemisinin-Verbindungen im Körper ist die Bildung von freien Radikalen durch Interaktion mit dem Eisen in der Zelle. Alles, was gegen diese Schädigungen durch freie Radikale schützt kontraproduktiv sein könnte, um die Wirksamkeit der Maßnahmen der Artemisinin-Derivaten.
….I don’t know about fish oil but the allergy research artemesinin bottles say ‚combining with antioxidants or iron may theoretically decrease effectiveness‘.
Good enough for me.The DRUG derivation of artemis kills by H2O2 burst, and the creation of free radicals..
so you would not want to use antioxidants while on this treatment (this treatment is only 5 days long and the drug artemos worked for me to erradicate Babs). You also need to restrict consumption of iron for 5 days (which is extrememly hard cuz it’s in everything).
I have never satifcatority gotten an answer from the supplement companies about the artisiminin SUPPLEMENTs on the market today..i.e. how much is in the capsule- and do they create an oxygen free radical??? Or hydrogen peroxide (H2O2)?? If so, then I wouldn’t think long term this would be a good thing… i.e. constant low level of free radicals is corrosive to all cells.Almost all the antioxidants neutralize a free radical– so you’d be wasting your money if you took these substances together.
If the supplement does create free radicals, and this is your aim, then antioxidants should be withheld while taking it, then resumed when you stop the artesiminin.
Supplemental antioxidants may be contraindicated with the use of artemisinin though. The nature of the action of artemisinin compounds in the body is the creation of free radicals through interaction with iron in the cell. Anything that protects against that free radical damage may be counterproductive to the effectiveness of the action of the artemisinin derivatives.
I’ve read both — don’t take it at the same time as antioxidants or iron, and don’t take the antioxidants/iron at all. Here’s the clearest explanation that I found, along with some very good info about reduced intestinal absorption of artemesinin if you don’t take breaks from it:
From http://www.mwt.net/~drbrewer/canart1.htm
The malaria parasite enters the red blood cells and sequesters iron. The mechanism of action of artemisinin in „zapping“ the malaria parasite is through the affinity of artemisinin to iron.
The artemisinin compound contains two oxygen atoms hooked together in what is termed an endoperoxide linkage. In the presence of free iron this linkage breaks down, forming very reactive free radicals that cause rapid and extensive damage and death to the parasite.
Supplemental antioxidants may be contraindicated with the use of artemisinin though. The nature of the action of artemisinin compounds in the body is the creation of free radicals through interaction with iron in the cell. Anything that protects against that free radical damage may be counterproductive to the effectiveness of the action of the artemisinin derivatives.
In treating malaria the artemisinin derivatives are given for a short four or five day course. In these short treatments no absorption resistance has been observed to occur.
Recent information has come to light that indicates that the intestine builds up resistance to absorbing oral artemisinin compounds very quickly, within several days. Resistance is demonstrated by a drop to >30% of the original rate of absorption. Research indicates that this resistance can be overcome very quickly by discontinuing use of the artemisinin compounds for several days to a week; when resumed, their absorption will be at the previous higher level.
(Ashton, et al., Artemisinin pharmacokinetics is time-dependent during repeated oral administration in healthy male adults, Drug Metabolism and Disposition 26 {1998} 25-27.)
Dr. Lai pointed out that this intestinal resistance and subsequent lowered absorption rate may be the basis of the plateau that many people reach on these compounds.
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=search_tng&d=results&record=2455282-132601-6YVB
bitte keine alpha-Liponsäure mit artemisin – ebenso kein Q10 und kein Seelen, vit. e.
Diese antioxidantienten machen den oxidativen effekt von arte zunichte.
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=search_tng&d=results&record=2455282-094716-W8SC
Hi Nora
Bei Bart alleine wird entweder tavanic als monotherapie eingesetzt oder Rifa 600 + Atzi 500.
Da du sowohl ehrlichien als auch bartonellen hast wurde die kombi von obigen autoren empfohlen.
Bart ist vermutlich nicht auf metro empfindlich.
vielleicht hilft dir der u.g. Text etwas.
Rifa 600 mg x 1 p.d.
+ tavanic 500 mg x1 p.d. (nicht nur 2 Wochen)ansonsten rifa 600 + atzi 500 (nur Bartonellen)
http://www.lymebook.com/antibiotic-treatment-for-babesia-bartonella-ehrlichia-co-infections
Ehrlichia/Anaplasma
The key to effective treatment of these organisms is early suspicion and treatment for at least 28 days. The most useful antibiotics for treating Ehrlichia/Anaplasma are doxycycline (100–200 mg twice a day) or rifampin (600 mg once a day). In difficult or resistant cases, I have used a combination of both drugs with very good success. #
Bartonella/BLO
There are two antibiotics that have been found to be most useful for treating Bartonella/BLO. My choice of these two antibiotics depends on two issues: (1) the extent to which the central nervous system (CNS) is affected and (2) the presence of co-infections other than Bartonella/BLO.
Levofloxacin (Levaquin)
This antibiotic is generally considered to be the antibiotic of choice for the treatment of Bartonella/BLO. Levaquin is a member of the family of antibiotics known as fluoroquinolones, which also includes ciprofloxacin (Cipro). All the fluoroquinolones seem to have activity against Bartonella/BLO, but Levaquin seems to be the most effective. The dosage is 250-500 mg once a day. It is best to take Levaquin on an empty stomach (or with minimal food if you need to eat something due to gastrointestinal side effects). Also, it is important not to take minerals like calcium, zinc, iron, and magnesium within several hours of the dose of Levaquin, because these minerals will bind Levaquin and render it less effective. I advise that patients take levofloxacin early in the morning, or it can be taken late in the evening, but not at bedtime. Except for the tetracycline antibiotic group, the fluoroquinolones are not generally used in combination with other antibiotics. Usually the course of treatment for Bartonella/BLO is one to three months, but occasionally it may take much longer.
Precautions: Levaquin is usually very well tolerated. The major adverse reaction that may occur with use of this medication is tendonitis (inflammation of the tendons). This complication is not common, but when it occurs, the medication must be stopped for a few days to allow symptoms to resolve. It can then be restarted in a few days at a lower dose, but if the tendonitis recurs, the medication should be stopped. The mechanism for tendonitis is not clearly known, but magnesium deficiency may The play a role in some patients. For this reason, I recommend that Bartonella/BLO patients ideally take 600–1,000 mg of magnesium for two weeks before beginning Levaquin therapy. Once Levaquin is begun, the patient should continue the magnesium, being careful to take it three (or more) hours before or after the dose of Levaquin.
Rifampin
Rifampin is a very old antibiotic that for many years has been used for the treatment of chronic infections such as tuberculosis. It is very effective against Bartonella/BLO. In particular, it is very useful for the neurological and psychiatric manifestations of Bartonella/BLO—severe anxiety and mood swings, panic, seizure-like episodes, memory loss, “spaciness,” confusion, disorientation episodes, and many other symptoms. Expect a herx-like reaction during the first week or so; then significant progress often occurs during the second or third week on rifampin.
It is best used in combination with certain other antibiotics. Frequently, those combinations include rifampin with doxycycline or rifampin with clarithromycin. The combination of rifampin with doxycycline is especially helpful when a patient with Bartonella/BLO is also infected with either Ehrlichia or Lyme. The dosage of rifampin is 300 mg per day for the first week; increase to 600 mg once a day after the first week. It is advisable to use rifampin in the evening (not at bedtime) on an empty stomach, three hours or more after a meal. It may be used in the morning an hour before breakfast also.
Rifabutin is a medication in the same family as rifampin and is reportedly very effective against Bartonella also. Apparently, it can be combined effectively with azithromycin. I do not have enough experience with its use to recommend it at this time.
Precautions: Rifampin is usually very well tolerated. It will always turn a patient’s urine orange. It may cause headaches and sleepiness. Liver function and blood counts should be monitored at regular intervals while using rifampin. The greatest concern about rifampin is the potential for interactions with other medications. Rifampin speeds the metabolism of certain medications, resulting in an increased breakdown of the other medications. Clinically, this drug-interaction issue often becomes a problem when certain pain medications are being used, and often a patient will require higher doses of pain medications while on rifampin.
Hallo !
Habe auch zu niedrige cd 57 / NK zellen. Nach Rücksprache mit dem Labor wurde mir gesagt , das diese bei vielen Infektionen vermindert sein können.
Ich hab keine Borre.
