[popo]

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva

[popo]

bei cpnhelp.org gibt es auch jede menge Europäer, und auch Deutsche. Einfach mal ein post dareinsetzen. Bist du da ?
Die frau von David Wheldon hat glaub ich auch ein forum thisisms.com
LG

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva

[popo]

Hallo stern!

nicht 6 mg sondern 6000 mg also 6g

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruvate,All supplements.

[popo]

Aus dem Orginal !

6 gramm calcium pyruvate 1 h vor den Antibiotika;

Paul Griffith, a non-medical friend researching this whole area, found that supplementing pyruvate might do the trick. Pyruvate may also have other beneficial effects. Basically, this approach uses 6 grams of calcium pyruvate one hour before taking the antibiotics, and an additional 6 grams if needed later for reactions when the antibiotics exert their effect. In theory the first dose of pyruvate encourages the cryptic/persistent form of Cpn to convert back into RB (replicating) form by supplying it with a ready source for generating cellular energy.

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 200, Azi.250 m-w-f, All suppelments.

[popo]

Die neue protokollvariante! auf Deutsch in Kurzfassung

Die besagt 1200 mg acc akut pro tag.

2x 100 Doxi

2x 500 Chlarythromycin

Alle 3 Wochen 5 tage mit metronidazol pulsen

Und der Clou bzw das wichtigste ist das Calcium Pyruvate 6 gramm 1 Stunde vor den Antibiotika

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 200, Azi.250 m-w-f, All suppelments.

[popo]

Hallo Stern !

Dann machst du ja fast schon die neue protokollvariante!

Die besagt 1200 mg acc akut pro tag.

2x 100 Doxi

2x 500 Chlarythromycin

Alle 3 Wochen 5 tage mit metronidazol pulsen

Und der Clou bzw das wichtigste ist das Calcium Pyruvate 6 gramm 1 Stunde vor den Antibiotika.

LG popo

From Dr. Charles Strattoni, 4/24/08

My thoughts on the current Stratton Protocol is that this is a work in

progress, but given what we know now, it would be the following:

NACi 600 mg one a day to test „Chlamydial Load.“

If no reaction, go to 1,200 mg twice a day.

If a severe reaction („Flu-Like“ reaction), use low dose prednisone (5 mg per day) for the first few weeks of therapy.

The next step would be two weeks of a macrolide (clarithromycin preferred because of higher levels obtained, roxithromycin, or azithromycin) with 6 grams of pyruvate given 1 hour prior to the antibiotic dose. In addition, 400 mg of Ibuprofen should be taken twice a day along with 1,200 mg of NAC twice a day. For those with severe reaction, low dose prednisone 5 mg per day. For those who get a severe reaction with the pyruvate/macrolide, 3-4 days of low dose prednisone could be tried. Also, using additional pyruvate (3-6 grams) for reaction should be tried.

For those that have a major side effect on the pyruvate/macrolide alone, I’d continue to treat with the macrolide alone until the side effects are manageable. For those that don’t, I’d add doxycycline 100 mg twice a day with 6 grams of pyruvate 1 hour before. Continue the NAC and Ibuprofen.

After two weeks of doxycycline if all went well, I’d add metronidazolei 500mg twice a day with 6 grams of pyruvate before that. If a reaction is seen.

To the metronidazole, I’d then pulse it until the reactions were manageable.

If minimal reactions, I’d continue therapy for at least 1 year and then recheck titers. If titers were low, I’d add rifampin or rifabutin (preferably), using the rifamycin with pyruvate taken 1 hour before the rifamycin. If no reactions to this, I’d consider the therapy to be complete.

I would continue to monitor titers every several years. If the titers increased, I’d retreat with 6 months of clarithromycin or roxithromycin plus rifabutin plus pyruvate and ibuprofen. I’d continue the NAC for life.

For people on the existing CAP who are being switched:

For those on the current Doxycyclinei, Azithromycini, Metronidazole, and NAC protocol, my thoughts are that they should first switch from Azithromycin 250 MWF to Clarithromycin 500 mg twice a day (or Roxithromycini) and then add pyruvate

Dr. Stratton adds that Levaquin may be used instead of Clarithromycin for a short period (one month) as it has excellent activity for a short period of time. Clarithromycin = higher levels. Levoquin Both when combined with pyruvate theoretically will provide better killing.

Severe neutropenia among healthy volunteers given rifabutin in clinical trials

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 200, Azi.250 m-w-f, All suppelments.

[popo]

liebe sunny!
Bitte kein basenmittel waehrend der systemischen pilztherapie nehmen!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lie mal im candida hilfe forum dazu – absolut kontraproduktiv!

Itracol u.ä. wirken nur im sauren millieu…

LG

Popo

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 200, Azi.250 m-w-f, All suppelments.

[popo]

Hallo Evamaria!

Anbei ein Auszug meiner persönlichen Korrespondenz mit Chuck stratton (dem Erfinder des protokolls) von der vanderbuilt university (aka the mothership) der sagt das protokoll deckt borellien mit ab.

LG popo

Chuck Stratton“ schrieb:

It would cover Borrelia. Most people would add plaquenal. See attached.

wrote:

Dear Dr.Stratton!

Thank you so much for your quick respond and your helpfull information.

Seems that british and US physicians are much more interested and advanced in causes of cfs/ME/MS etc. than German Doctors are.

Would this regime(Doxy,azi,metro,nac,etc) also cover borrelia infections in all of their phases?

Best wishes from Hamburg

Germany

„Chuck Stratton“ schrieb:

I don’t think resistance to metronidazole will be a problem. See attached. Take care.

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 200, Azi.250 m-w-f, All suppelments.

[popo]

http://www.cpnhelp.org/publicimages/CAPsSurveyFolder/ReportCpnCAP’s.htm

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 200, Azi.250 m-w-f, All suppelments.

[popo]

Klar gibt es dort einige denen es nicht hilft. Aber mann darf auch nicht vergessen, das fast die Hälfte der Leute MS hat.
Guck dir mal untenstehenden Link an. Fast alles CFS Leute haben eine starke Verbesserung nach Cap erfahren.
Ich habe letzte Woche das erste Mal Metro genommen.

http://www.cpnhelp.org/publicimages/CAPsSurveyFolder/ReportCpnCAP’s.htm

Und hier mein Blog

http://www.cpnhelp.org/feeling_better_improvemen

Submitted by Cesare on Fri, 2008-04-18 03:22. Cpn treatment experiences | Flagyl
Hi to all!

Just wanted to know if I am right and your experiences about this topic!

Is it right that most of the Cappers recovery/improvement start after the beginning of flagyli pulses and not before with the dual abx ? (Of course its getting worser with the die off – but in general?)

And is it right that viral attacks (flu,ebvi,etc.) get better after starting with flagyl in because of cleaning infected cells?

How were your experiences ?

I am so glad that I found this forum and all you nice people who are so helpful and kind.

Regards

Cesare

‹ doxy.100mg x 2 azithromycin 250mg m/w/f Anatomy of a Pulse ›

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Male 35
Submitted by Cesare on Fri, 2008-04-18 03:24.
Male 35 years (Germany),CFIDSii, IBSi, Enterovirus, Cpni for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Capi on 02/19/08, Currently Doxyi, Azit.,Naci,all supplementsii, First metroi pulse

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It depends very much on the
Submitted by Michele on Fri, 2008-04-18 04:14.
It depends very much on the individual and the exact mix and extent of infectionsi. For example I experienced an initial improvement in sinus and lung symptoms when first starting the two bacteriostatic antibioticsi. Flagyli did nothing but make me feel worse in the first few months and it was only when I noticed that my hair was growing again after four months that I realised the Flagyl was having an effect.

Now that my Cpni load is reduced after two years of treatment I can feel the benefits of flagyl pulses in reduced pain in joints and gut, but notice no reaction or benefits from Doxyi and Azi although I know they are still doing their job of keeping Cpn from replicating.

I again cannot say that viral infections get better after starting flagyl…. I know that quite a few people have experienced a flare up of viral infections at the beginning of treatment. We tend to explain that in terms of the immunei system being temporarily incapacitated by the effects of ABXii on infected macrophages. When the immune system has recovered then it should be more effective at keeping viruses under control but when that is likely to happen depends on the individual and his or her infection level.

Michèle (UK) GFAi: Wheldon CAPi 1st May 2006. Daily Doxy, Azi MWF, metroi pulse. Zoo keeper for Ella, RRMS, At worse EDSS 9, 3 months later 7 now 5.5 Wheldon CAP 16th March 2006

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Welcome Cesare, some
Submitted by Elinor on Fri, 2008-04-18 04:48.
Welcome Cesare, some people might have different answers to your question but for me it was definitely the tinidazolei (which I take instead of flagyli) that really kick-started recovery.

On the doxyi and roxi I continued to feel worse and worse until at one point I was so ill, fatigued and disabled that my doctor made me stop all abxii for a few months, this obviously meant that lots was happening but so much die-off and porphyria can make you take those ‚two steps backwards‘ and in that state it can be very hard to see the benefits. When I started the CAPi again I quickly began small pulses of tinii and though this would make me feel rotten at the time as soon as I was able to tolerate the full five days the improvements started……..now I pulse seven days on, seven days off and just keep getting better and better. So I’d say get onto it as soon as you can but start slowly to see how you do.

About the viruses…….I’ve had ‚flu‘ twice, which is odd as during years and years of ME/lyme everyone around me could be going down with flu or colds and I never seemed to get them, just tended to have worse ME symptoms but now I catch whatever there is, have a normal immunei response then get over it really quickly and back to normal. Hopefully this is a good trend and eventually will lead to the immune system being strong enough to resist those bugs completely.

Elinor ….. from England on CAP, doxy/roxi/tini for ME/CFSi/lyme borreliosis, positive Cpni and borrelia. Started Aug05, stopped Jan06, started again Sept 06.

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It’s strange that you
Submitted by Mark Hall on Fri, 2008-04-18 05:26.
It’s strange that you mention about a lack of colds and Flu when having CFSi. That is Paula’s situation too. I wonder why this happens sometimes?

UK Carer of bedridden Severe ME/CFS Feb06. CPNi dx. Apr07. Samento 15 drops per day July07. 2400mg NAC 200mg Doxyi Jan08. 150mg Roxi Apr08.

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Hi Elinor ! Thank you for
Submitted by Cesare on Fri, 2008-04-18 06:18.
Hi Elinor !

Thank you for your response. That is very interesting to hear that the Flagyli/Tinidazolei kick started the recovery. Do other members experienced the same?

I am now for two month on doxyi,azi. etc., and it didn´t do much , so I took yesterday my first 400 mg of flagyl and am looking forward.

About viruses it is the same with me , I have high levels of enteroviruses and feel bad and have worser cfsi symptoms – but they don`t really present themselves.

So I treated the enteroviruses because I thought they were the causal cfs agent, with the John Chia protocoll. (Interferon alpha and gamma and ribavirin in combination) But It didnt helped me. So I moved on further looking for other cfs agents, knowing that I am having high cpni levels for years (doctors always ignored them)and decided to treat these bugs and hope that the enterovirus/coxsackievirus will pass away when my immunei system is cleared.

Male 35 years (Germany),CFIDSii, IBSi, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Capi on 02/19/08, Currently Doxyi, Azit.,Nacii,all supplementsiiii, First metroii pulse

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Interesting link about
Submitted by Cesare on Fri, 2008-04-18 06:38.
Interesting link about enterovirus / cfsi

http://press.psprings.co.uk/jcp/september/cp50054.pdf

http://www.cfids-cab.org/MESA/Chia.pdf

Male 35 years (Germany),CFIDSii, IBSi, Enterovirus, Cpni for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Capi on 02/19/08, Currently

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> Is it right that most of
Submitted by hdwhit on Fri, 2008-04-18 07:34.
> Is it right that most of the Cappers recovery/improvement start after the beginning of flagylii pulses and not before with the dual abx ?

From the CPni handbook:

Both the tetracyclines and the macrolides are considered bacteriostatic. They do not kill germs outright, but stop replication so your body can clean up and win the battle without a growing bacterial population to deal with. In the case of CPn however, the EBi is stuck halfway converted. It is not able to take over the cell’s energy system, so it’s on it’s own. It has some rudimentary ability to survive on it’s own in this anaerobic (without oxygen) state, but not much. As a result a number of the CPn germs will die causing an endotoxini reaction (see below) even though at this stage you are only taking bacteriostatic drugs.

However a good number of the bacteria will survive even though many die under the stress of living stuck halfway between EB and RB, reducing the overall bacterial loadi by a good margin. This brings us to flagyl (metronidazolei). This antibiotic kills the CPn outright, causing for some people a big reaction to the endotoxin, depending on how extensive the bacterial load still is for them as they begin it’s use. For this reason, many people wait a number of months after starting the bacteriostatics before taking their first dose of flagyl. Then, they may take flagyl for only one dose the first time they take it, then wait for the body to recover a bit before dosing again. Pulsing the flagyl kills off some germs, then gives the body and tissues reacting to the released LPSi a rest.

From this explanation it seems that we would expect that while the bacteriostatic antibioticsi may do some killing, most of the killing of CPn is going to take place as a result of the flagyl pulses. Once the CPn is killed, normal cell processes (including apoptosisi) can resume and improvement (healing) would be expected to follow as the formerly infected cells are replaced.

> And is it right that viral attacks (flu,ebvii,etc.) get better after starting with flagyl in because of cleaning infected cells?

Also from the handbook:

Dr. Stratton now posits that the primary infection in Cpn is of the immunei system: immune cells & bone marrow.

It is this which, in part, causes such difficulty in getting rid of Cpn.
It also causes continuous reinfection if the full spectrum of Cpn infection is untreated.
It also lowers the body’s ability to cope with other bacterial and viral infectionsi.
This, in turn, fosters further sources of inflammationi, and even has the potential (through immuno-incompetence) to compromise the body’s ability to fight cancer and other diseasesi.

From this explanation it seems that we would expect that as the immune system cells are cleared of the CPn they become better able to respond to other infections.

I love the CPn Handbook.

CAPi for M.S. since 8/2007. Currently: 100 mg Dox. (2 x day), 250 mg Zithi (3 x week) ceased 3/2008, 150 mg Roxi (2 x day) starting 3/2008. Seventh pulse metronidazole completed 4/11/2008.

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Cesare, My improvement was
Submitted by MacKintosh on Fri, 2008-04-18 20:06.
Cesare, My improvement was notable by the tenth day of doxycyclinei and azithromycini, which I started together, at full dosages.

Within ten days, my non-functional gallbladder had reinflated itself and was functioning normally. I was scheduled for surgery to remove it later that week and my surgeon canceled it.

The brain fog was impacted within the first two weeks and my short-term memory problems were greatly improved, as well. All rapidly cascading symptoms, like foot-drop, left side weakness, extreme sudden fatigues, trouble swallowing, flushing and temperature fluctuations, were arrested.

I started flagyli six weeks after starting doxyi and azith and had steady improvements afterward, as well.

I formerly had major, debilitating lung infectionsi which were labeled ‚walking pneumonia‘ twice a year, at least, though I rarely caught colds or flu like my co-workers. Since starting abxii, I’ve had no lung infections at all and I had one cold about a year ago, which lasted only a couple of days. It feels like my body’s own defenses took over some time ago, pretty early in the protocol.

The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems. Mohandas Gandhi

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Thank you all for your
Submitted by Cesare on Sat, 2008-04-19 11:09.
Thank you all for your response!

Best regards

Male 35 (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDSii, IBSi, Enterovirus, Cpni,treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Capi on 02/19/08, Currently NACi 1200, Doxyi 200, Azi.250 m-w-f, 1st Metroi.

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your story sounds like
Submitted by lylebrown on Sat, 2008-04-19 15:22.
your story sounds like mine…I will copy and paste a previous post reply here…

I have the dreaded yeast, but with complications (I will explain) for over a year I was dwelling in and around the Candida forum groups searching for answers until I got an extensive test that came up with the Clamydia lung condition which led me to you folks.It seems that the domino effect was in full force as all the yeast and bacteria weakened my immunity daily.I have been on Arythromyacin anti-biotic for a month along with many (6) high quality Swiss Colloidal silver IV sessions. It helped at first, but now I am feeling just like it never left. We are waiting for a final test on the teters levels which I am sure are elevated by the way I feel.

Can anyone tell me if I’m on the right track here, because my Doctor intends to put me on a stronger antibiotic soon if the tests come back elevated with infection still.I am not feeling like a very patient patient here. I want this thing gone, but not at the expense of killing parts of me with it.

Any suggestions as to what anyone else is doing ould be helpful.

Thanks,

Lyle …

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 200, Azi.250 m-w-f, All suppelments.

[popo]

kenne dich aus dem cpn org forum – wie geht es dir und der therapie?

LG popo

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 200, Azi.250 m-w-f, All suppelments.

[popo]

Du nimmst Azithromycin mo.Di.Mi.?

Ich dachte mann soll es mo/Mi/Fr nehmen?

warum?

LG popo

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 200, Azi.250 m-w-f, All suppelments.

[popo]

Unser gemeinsamer Arzt hat mir die Medis nicht verschrieben, aber er befürwortet die Therapie. Das ist mein hausarzt.
Ich habe ihn mal gefragt warum andere Patienten Probleme haben sowas verschrieben zu bekommen.
darauf antwortete er mir, das ich schlließlich der Antriebsmotor des ganzen wäre und durch dementsprechend viele Argumente und vorbereitetes Research von mir , er sich den Argumenten nicht entziehen könnte.
(Hatte vorher auch Stratton und Wheldon geschrieben)
Im übrigen ist im „Normalfall“ bei dieser Therapie mit nicht zuvielen Nebenwirkungen zu rechnen.
Siehe auch Interview mit einem Experten:
Dr. A – Ich bin ziemlich pragmatisch und nutze das billigste und sicherste Antibiotikum. Ich beginne mit: Doxycyclin (Dr. A richtet sich bzgl. der Dosierung nach der Reaktion des Patienten, er steigert es auf 100mg zwei mal täglich für einen kurzen oder längeren Zeitraum in Abhängigkeit von der Verträglichkeit), dann gebe ich zusätzlich Azithromycin bis schließlich eine Dosis von 250 mg jeweils Montag, Mittwoch, Freitag erreicht ist, dann gebe ich zusätzlich Metronidazol langsam steigernd bis zu 500mg zwei mal täglich. Schließlich zusätzlich noch 2 mal täglich 300mg Rifampicin. Möglicherweise starte ich auch mit 2*500mg/Tag Amoxicillin statt Doxycyclin.

Jim K – Sie beginnen so die Therapie, weil es für den Patienten am einfachsten ist?

Dr. A – Es ist billig, sicher, und wird am besten toleriert. Dann, nach 1-2 Monaten zusätzlich Azithromycin, nach einem weiteren Monat zusätzlich Doxycyclin und beobachten, wie die 3 Medikamenten wirken. Ich habe generell das Metronidazol zusätzlich gegeben und geschaut, wie es dem Patienten damit geht. Ich habe nichts dagegen, das Metronidazol zu pulsen, wie es David Wheldon in seinem Protokoll tut (Anmerkung: Dieser Hinweis bezieht sich auf David Wheldons Protokoll, Metronidazol jeweils 5 Tage alle 3 Wochen zu „pulsen“). Durch dieses „Pulsen“ hat der Patient Zeit, sich von den Nebenwirkungen zu erholen.

Weißt du Sunny , ich möchte diesen Zustand beenden und wieder gesund werden – da würde ich mich von keinem Arzt der Welt bremsen lassen.
Habe vorher schon ganz andere therapien gemacht Interferon alpha und Interferon gamma und Ribavirin in Kombination gegen chronische Viren.
Dagegen ist das bisschen Antibiotika ein Witz.
Weiß nicht ob ich später noch Rifampicin und INH (Tuberkuloseantibiotika) benötige. Vielleicht hätte mein HA damit etwas Bauchschmerzen, aber verschreiben würde er es mir.
Es wird auf der CPNorg Seite immer wieder darauf hingewiesen wie wichtig es ist die Dinge in Kombination zu nehmen.
Mit der Therapie ist es ok nun 8 Wochen . will jetzt mit dem Metronidazol anfangen(Schließlich ist dies das anzeige welches bakteroizid wirkt und die Dinger terminieren kann)
Aber für den ersten Puls nur eine tablette.

Und das es einem unter der Therapie schlecht geht ist ja sogar erwünscht
siehe auch:

Reactions to CAP Treatment: That „Kissed by a Dementor“ kind of feeling* Submitted by Jim K on Wed, 2006-02-08 12:15. Cpn Handbook | Cytokines | Endotoxins | Heat shock protein | Inflammation | Lipopolysaccharide endotoxin | Protocols
Bacterial Endotoxini reactions, Cytokinei (immunei) reactions and inflammationi
These are often casually. but inaccurately, referred to as “herx” reactions, or scientifically as “herxheimer-like” alluding to the Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction to bacterial toxins specifically from syphilis. All gram-negative bacteria, of which Cpni is one, have contain Lipopolysaccharidei endotoxinsi as well as HSPi’s (heat shock proteins) which are released as a matter of course during infection and are in part responsible for the on-going symptoms of the infection.

When these bacterial are killed en masse during treatment, they release relatively large amounts of endotoxin, causing significant symptoms especially during initial phases of treatment, as well as when an additional antibiotic agent is added to the protocol. If the amount of endotoxin exceeds the body’s ability to get rid of it, these toxic effects can be life threatening. But even in less threatening amounts, the endotoxins and the resulting reactions can cause oxidative stress and damage to body organs.

Wheldon believes the immediate reactions, characterized by shivering, influenzal symptoms and general malaise, are indicative of the endotoxin itself. Dorlands Medical Dictionary adds that the condition is a short term immunological reaction which causes fever, chills, muscle pain, headaches, and skin lesions.

Dr. Powell identifies chronic signals of endotoxin in constantly feeling cold especially in extremities or body core, feeling that you can’t warm up, etc.

The recommended supplementsii are crucial to help the body counter endotoxin reactions, and the oxidative damage they can cause body tissues and organs.

Cytokine reaction (immune response)-
The endotoxin stimulates a powerful cytokine reaction by the immune system, which activates macrophages and brings with it inflammation. Next the compliment cascade, and release of histamine and more inflammation. Next the coagulation cascade and more inflammation, along with lowered blood pressure. It is likely that widespread muscle, joint and connective tissue pain, dis-coordination, deep fatigue, brain fog, bowel and other organ distress, nausea, are an indication of the endotoxin-cytokine cascade when abxii treatment is initiated.

„LPSi is an incredibly potent initiator of immune cascades…you really don’t need much to cause a lot of harm… We know that once the endotoxin signaling process has begun, the damage done by endotoxin is actually damage done by the immune system. Cytokinesi released in high concentrations produce overwhelming amounts of ROSi and RNS, leading to free radical production and catastrophic tissue damage. Equally overwhelming amounts of antioxidantsi are required in sustained concentrations to both prevent and combat this…“ http://www.acnem.org/journal/24-1_april_2005/endotoxin.htm#15

The main signal of cytokine reaction is inflammation: pain, swelling, brain fog, pain, pain, pain.

As noted, the supplements are crucial here as well for preventing the damage of our runaway immune system. Some patients may require anti-inflammatory medications to manage these cytokine cascades.

LG popo

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 200, Azi.250 m-w-f, All suppelments.

[popo]

Habe nur was zum VZV gefunden
Kenne die ratio nicht.
wenn die ratio aber ebenso <0,8 negativ ist und du 3 hasst, finde ich das ziemlich viel. Ab wann ist die ratio positiv?

lg popo

Technische Daten:
Antigen Hochgereinigte VZV-Glykoproteine aus Varizella-Zoster-Viren (Stamm
„Elle“, kultiviert in NMDF-Zellen).
Kalibrierung Semiquantitativ, Berechnung einer Ratio aus Extinktion der Probe und
Extinktion des Kalibrators.
Befundinterpretation Ratio < 0,8: negativ
Ratio > 0,8 bis < 1,1: grenzwertig
Ratio > 1,1: positiv
Probenverdünnung Serum oder Plasma; 1 : 101 in Probenpuffer.

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 200, Azi.250 m-w-f, All suppelments.

[popo]

Du hast geschrieben: Was ich persönlich nicht möchte ist mich vollzupumpen mit Antibiotika,da ich sie so gut wie nie vertrage.Habe ja auch noch eine PenicillinAllergie.

Das ist ja der Clou das du sie nicht verträgst. (in wirklichkeit heißt es das sie wirken!!!!)
Wenn die Critters vom AB kaputtgemacht werden, kommt es zu einer starken freisetzung an endotoxinen.
Herxheimer reaktion! Siehe unten : Reactions to CAP treatment
When these bacterial are killed en masse during treatment, they release relatively large amounts of endotoxin, causing significant symptoms especially during initial phases of treatment, as well as when an additional antibiotic agent is added to the protocol.
Deswegen wird das Protokoll ja auch stufenweise langsam gesteigert.
Wie hoch sind deine werte?

LG Popo

Reactions to CAP Treatment: That „Kissed by a Dementor“ kind of feeling* Submitted by Jim K on Wed, 2006-02-08 12:15. Cpn Handbook | Cytokines | Endotoxins | Heat shock protein | Inflammation | Lipopolysaccharide endotoxin | Protocols
Bacterial Endotoxini reactions, Cytokinei (immunei) reactions and inflammationi
These are often casually. but inaccurately, referred to as “herx” reactions, or scientifically as “herxheimer-like” alluding to the Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction to bacterial toxins specifically from syphilis. All gram-negative bacteria, of which Cpni is one, have contain Lipopolysaccharidei endotoxinsi as well as HSPi’s (heat shock proteins) which are released as a matter of course during infection and are in part responsible for the on-going symptoms of the infection.

When these bacterial are killed en masse during treatment, they release relatively large amounts of endotoxin, causing significant symptoms especially during initial phases of treatment, as well as when an additional antibiotic agent is added to the protocol. If the amount of endotoxin exceeds the body’s ability to get rid of it, these toxic effects can be life threatening. But even in less threatening amounts, the endotoxins and the resulting reactions can cause oxidative stress and damage to body organs.

Wheldon believes the immediate reactions, characterized by shivering, influenzal symptoms and general malaise, are indicative of the endotoxin itself. Dorlands Medical Dictionary adds that the condition is a short term immunological reaction which causes fever, chills, muscle pain, headaches, and skin lesions.

Dr. Powell identifies chronic signals of endotoxin in constantly feeling cold especially in extremities or body core, feeling that you can’t warm up, etc.

The recommended supplementsii are crucial to help the body counter endotoxin reactions, and the oxidative damage they can cause body tissues and organs.

Cytokine reaction (immune response)-
The endotoxin stimulates a powerful cytokine reaction by the immune system, which activates macrophages and brings with it inflammation. Next the compliment cascade, and release of histamine and more inflammation. Next the coagulation cascade and more inflammation, along with lowered blood pressure. It is likely that widespread muscle, joint and connective tissue pain, dis-coordination, deep fatigue, brain fog, bowel and other organ distress, nausea, are an indication of the endotoxin-cytokine cascade when abxii treatment is initiated.

„LPSi is an incredibly potent initiator of immune cascades…you really don’t need much to cause a lot of harm… We know that once the endotoxin signaling process has begun, the damage done by endotoxin is actually damage done by the immune system. Cytokinesi released in high concentrations produce overwhelming amounts of ROSi and RNS, leading to free radical production and catastrophic tissue damage. Equally overwhelming amounts of antioxidantsi are required in sustained concentrations to both prevent and combat this…“ http://www.acnem.org/journal/24-1_april_2005/endotoxin.htm#15

The main signal of cytokine reaction is inflammation: pain, swelling, brain fog, pain, pain, pain.

As noted, the supplements are crucial here as well for preventing the damage of our runaway immune system. Some patients may require anti-inflammatory medications to manage these cytokine cascades.

Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 200, Azi.250 m-w-f, All suppelments.

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