meine Langzeitantibiose sowie Therapie gegen Nitrostress

Hört sich nicht schlecht an, trotz Monoantibiose. Konntest Du Deinen Arzt nicht zu mehr überreden?

Bei der Supplementierung fehlen mir allerdings noch ein paar Sachen:
1. Aktivkohle – um Schadstoffe aus dem Darm auszuleiten. Bringt wirklich ne Menge – wollte ich anfangs auch nicht glauben. Gerade bei Herxheimer Reaktion
2. Supplements gegen oxidativen Streß – Dieser wird automatisch durch die Infektion und auch beim Bakterienzerfall ausgelöst. Mittlerweile gibt’s Kombipräparate.

lg,
sunny

Hi
Gibt auch Vitamin b12 als Spray must mal googeln.
Pit

bitte keine alpha-Liponsäure mit artemisin – ebenso kein Q10 und kein Seelen, vit. e.

Diese antioxidantienten machen den oxidativen effekt von arte zunichte.

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=search_tng&d=results&record=2455282-094716-W8SC

Hi Fjord ! Will auch in Kürze Artemisinin nehmen. Deswegen hab ich mich darüber schon etwas schlau gemacht.

Wogegn sollst du Arte nehmen und welche Marke?

Zusätzliche Antioxidantien können mit dem Einsatz von Artemisinin aber kontraindiziert sein. Die Art der Maßnahme von Artemisinin-Verbindungen im Körper ist die Bildung von freien Radikalen durch Interaktion mit dem Eisen in der Zelle. Alles, was gegen diese Schädigungen durch freie Radikale schützt kontraproduktiv sein könnte, um die Wirksamkeit der Maßnahmen der Artemisinin-Derivaten.

….I don’t know about fish oil but the allergy research artemesinin bottles say ‚combining with antioxidants or iron may theoretically decrease effectiveness‘.
Good enough for me.

The DRUG derivation of artemis kills by H2O2 burst, and the creation of free radicals..
so you would not want to use antioxidants while on this treatment (this treatment is only 5 days long and the drug artemos worked for me to erradicate Babs). You also need to restrict consumption of iron for 5 days (which is extrememly hard cuz it’s in everything).
I have never satifcatority gotten an answer from the supplement companies about the artisiminin SUPPLEMENTs on the market today..i.e. how much is in the capsule- and do they create an oxygen free radical??? Or hydrogen peroxide (H2O2)?? If so, then I wouldn’t think long term this would be a good thing… i.e. constant low level of free radicals is corrosive to all cells.

Almost all the antioxidants neutralize a free radical– so you’d be wasting your money if you took these substances together.

If the supplement does create free radicals, and this is your aim, then antioxidants should be withheld while taking it, then resumed when you stop the artesiminin.

Supplemental antioxidants may be contraindicated with the use of artemisinin though. The nature of the action of artemisinin compounds in the body is the creation of free radicals through interaction with iron in the cell. Anything that protects against that free radical damage may be counterproductive to the effectiveness of the action of the artemisinin derivatives.

I’ve read both — don’t take it at the same time as antioxidants or iron, and don’t take the antioxidants/iron at all. Here’s the clearest explanation that I found, along with some very good info about reduced intestinal absorption of artemesinin if you don’t take breaks from it:

From http://www.mwt.net/~drbrewer/canart1.htm

The malaria parasite enters the red blood cells and sequesters iron. The mechanism of action of artemisinin in „zapping“ the malaria parasite is through the affinity of artemisinin to iron.

The artemisinin compound contains two oxygen atoms hooked together in what is termed an endoperoxide linkage. In the presence of free iron this linkage breaks down, forming very reactive free radicals that cause rapid and extensive damage and death to the parasite.

Supplemental antioxidants may be contraindicated with the use of artemisinin though. The nature of the action of artemisinin compounds in the body is the creation of free radicals through interaction with iron in the cell. Anything that protects against that free radical damage may be counterproductive to the effectiveness of the action of the artemisinin derivatives.

In treating malaria the artemisinin derivatives are given for a short four or five day course. In these short treatments no absorption resistance has been observed to occur.

Recent information has come to light that indicates that the intestine builds up resistance to absorbing oral artemisinin compounds very quickly, within several days. Resistance is demonstrated by a drop to >30% of the original rate of absorption. Research indicates that this resistance can be overcome very quickly by discontinuing use of the artemisinin compounds for several days to a week; when resumed, their absorption will be at the previous higher level.

(Ashton, et al., Artemisinin pharmacokinetics is time-dependent during repeated oral administration in healthy male adults, Drug Metabolism and Disposition 26 {1998} 25-27.)

Dr. Lai pointed out that this intestinal resistance and subsequent lowered absorption rate may be the basis of the plateau that many people reach on these compounds.

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=search_tng&d=results&record=2455282-132601-6YVB

Der Arzt hat Dir Alpha-Lipon Säure gegen Nitrosativen Stress verschrieben und die Artemisia gegen die Pathogenen, aber die zwei scheinen sich zusammen nicht zu vertragen. Die Artemisia Behandlung ist so neu, dass wahrscheinlich noch nicht genügend Erfahrung vorhanden ist, selbst bei den Spezialisten. Anders kann ich es mir nicht erklären…

Grüße

Alex

lass lieber die supplements weg – wofür bekommst du arte?