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14. Januar 2009 um 09:07 Uhr #317486popoTeilnehmer
Hab es mir gestern aus der Apotheke besorgt – 100 gramm – 6 €
Es wirkt nur Magnesium Chlorid so – keine anderen magnesiumverbindungen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Und heute mit weniger Muskelschmerzen aufgewacht und kein Durchfall!!!
Hab mich rückversichert – man kann mit magnesiumchlorid nichts falsch machen. Soll die phagozyten und leukoaktivität um 300 % boosten.
na schaun mer mal…..Im schlimmsten fall durchfall, der nach ein paar tagen verschwinden sollte.
In einem Artikel im US-Lymenet über Magnesium ist zwar nicht von einer zunehmenden Leukozytenproduktion, aber immerhin von einer besseren Abwehrfunktion der Leukozyten und Phagozyten bei Einnahme von Magnesiumchlorid die Rede.
Wörtlich heißt es:The first prominent researcher to investigate and promote the antibiotic effects of magnesium was a French surgeon, Prof. Pierre Delbet MD. In 1915 he was looking for a solution to cleanse wounds of soldiers, because he found that traditionally used antiseptics actually damaged tissues and encouraged infections instead of preventing them. In all his tests magnesium chloride solution was by far the best. Not only was it harmless for tissues, but it also greatly increased leucocyte activity and phagocytosis, the destruction of microbes.
Later Prof. Delbet also performed experiments with the internal applications of magnesium chloride and found it to be a powerful immune-stimulant. In his experiments phagocytosis increased by up to 333%. This means after magnesium chloride intake the same number of white blood cells destroyed up to three times more microbes than beforehand.—
MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE IN ACUTE AND CHRONIC DISEASES
by Raul Vergini,MDBack in 1915, a French surgeon, Prof. Pierre Delbet, MD, was looking for a solution to cleanse wounds, because he had found out that the traditional antiseptic solutions actually mortified tissues and facilitated the infection instead of preventing it.
He tested several mineral solutions and discovered that a Magnesium Chloride solution was not only harmless for tissues, but it had also a great effect over leucocytic activity and phagocytosis; so it was perfect for external wounds treatment.
Dr. Delbet performed a lot of „in vitro“ and „in vivo“ experiments with this solution and he became aware that it was good not only for external applications, but it was also a powerful immuno-stimulant if taken by injections or even by mouth. He called this effect „cytophilaxis“. In some „in vivo“ experiments it was able to increase phagocytosis rate up to 300%.
Dr. Delbet serendipitously discovered that this oral solution had also a tonic effect on many people and so became aware that the Magnesium Chloride had an effect on the whole organism.
In a brief time, he received communications of very good therapeutics effects of this „therapy“ from people that were taking Magnesium Chloride for its tonic properties and who were suffering from various ailments.
Prof. Delbet began to closely study the subject and verified that the Magnesium Chloride solution was a very good therapy for a long list of diseases.
He obtained very good results in: colitis, angiocholitis and cholecystitis in the digestive apparatus; Parkinson’s Disease, senile tremors and muscular cramps in the nervous system; acne, eczema, psoriasis, warts, itch of various origins and chilblains in the skin. There was a strengthening of hair and nails, a good effect on diseases typical of the aged (impotency, prostatic hypertrophy, cerebral and circulatory troubles) and on diseases of allergic origin (hay-fever, asthma, urticaria and anaphylactic reactions).
Then Prof. Delbet began to investigate the relationship between Magnesium and Cancer. After a lot of clinical and experimental studies, he found that Magnesium Chloride had a very good effect on prevention of cancer and that it was able to cure several precancerous conditions: leucoplasia, hyperkeratosis, chronic mastitis, etc.
Epidemiological studies confirmed Delbet’s views and demonstrated that the regions with soil more rich in magnesium had less cancer incidence, and vice versa. In experimental studies, the Magnesium Chloride solution was also able to slow down the course of cancer in laboratory animals.
Prof. Delbet wrote two books, „Politique Preventive du Cancer“ (1944) and „L’Agriculture et la Sant�“ (1945), in which he stated his ideas about cancer prevention and a better living. The first is a well documented report of all his studies on Magnesium Chloride.
In 1943 another French doctor, A. Neveu, MD, used the Magnesium Chloride solution in a case of diphteria to reduce the risks of anaphylactic reaction due to the anti-diphteric serum that he was ready to administer. To his great surprise, when the next day the laboratory results confirmed the diagnosis of diphteria, the little girl was completely cured, before he could use the serum.
He credited the immuno-stimulant activity to the solution for this result, and he tested it in some other diphteric patients. All the patients were cured in a very short time (24-48 hours), with no after-effects. As Magnesium Chloride has no direct effect on bacteria (i.e.it is not an antibiotic ), Neveu thought that its action was aspecific, immuno-enhancing, so it could be useful, in the same manner, also against viral diseases.�
So he began to treat some cases of poliomyelitis, and had the same wonderful results. He was very excited and tried to divulge the therapy, but he ran into a wall of hostility and obstructionism from „Official Medicine“. Neither Neveu nor Delbet (who was a member of the Academy of Medicine) was able to diffuse Neveu’s extraordinary results. The opposition was total: Professors of Medicine, Medical Peer-Reviews, the Academy itself, all were against the two doctors. „Official Medicine“ saw in Magnesium Chloride Therapy a threat to its new and growing business: vaccinations.
Dr.Neveu wasn’t discouraged by this and continued to test this therapy in a wide range of diseases. He obtained very good results in: pharyngitis, tonsillitis, hoarseness, common cold, influenza, asthma, bronchitis, broncho-pneumonia, pulmonary emphysema, „children diseases“ (whooping-cough, measles, rubella, mumps, scarlet fever…), alimentary and professional poisonings, gastroenteritis, boils, abscesses, erysipelas, whitlow, septic pricks (wounds), puerperal fever and osteomyelitis. But the indications for Magnesium Chloride therapy don’t end here.
In more recent years other physicians (and I among these) have verified many of Delbet’s and Neveu’s applications and have tried the therapy in other pathologies: asthmatic acute attack, shock, tetanus (for these the solution is administered by intravenous injection); herpes zoster, acute and chronic conjunctivitis, optic neuritis, rheumatic diseases, many allergic diseases, spring-asthenia and Cronic Fatigue Syndrome (even in cancer it can be an useful adjuvant).
The preceding lists of ailments are by no means exhaustive; maybe other illnesses can be treated with this therapy but, as this is a relatively „young“ treatment, we are pioneers, and we need the help of all physicians of good will to definitely establish all the true possibilities of this wonderful therapy.
From a practical standpoint, please remember that only Magnesium CHLORIDE has this „cytophilactic“ activity, and no other magnesium salt; probably it’s a molecular, and not a merely ionic, matter.
The solution to be used is a 2.5% Magnesium Chloride hexahydrate (MgCl2-6H2O) solution (i.e.: 25 grams / 1 liter of water).
Dosages are as follows:– Adults and children over 5 years old……………… .125 cc
– 4 year old children……………………………………….100 cc
– 3 year old children…………………………………………80 cc
– 1-2 year old children………………………………………60 cc
– over 6 months old children………………………………30 cc
– under 6 months old children…………………………….15 cc
These doses must be administered BY MOUTH. The only contraindication to Magnesium Chloride Therapy is a severe renal insufficiency. As the magnesium chloride has a mild laxative effect, diarrhea sometimes appears on the first days of therapy, expecially when high dosages (i.e. three doses a day) are taken; but this is not a reason to stop the therapy.The taste of the solution is not very good (it has a bitter-saltish flavor) so a little of fruit juice (grapefruit, orange, lemon) can be added to the solution, or it can be even used in the place of water to make the solution itself.
Grapefruit juice masks the bitter taste very well (expecially if cold).
For CHRONIC diseases the standard treatment is one dose morning and evening for a long period (several months at least, but it can be continued for years).
In ACUTE diseases the dose is administered every 6 hours (every 3 hours the first two doses if the case is serious); then space every 8 hours and then 12 hours as improvement goes on. After recovery it’s better going on with a dose every 12 hours for some days.
As a PREVENTIVE measure, and as a magnesium supplement, one dose a day can be taken indefinitely. Magnesium Chloride, even if it’s an inorganic salt, is very well absorbed and it’s a very good supplemental magnesium source.
For INTRAVENOUS injection, the formula is:
Magnesium Chloride hexahydrate………………….25 grams
Distilled Water……………………………………………100 ccMake injections of 10-20cc (very slowly, over 10-20 minutes) once or twice a day. Of course the solution must be sterilized.
This therapy gives very good results also in Veterinary Medicine, at the appropriate dosages depending upon the size and kind of animals.
Raul Vergini, MD – Italy – author of: „Curarsi con il Magnesio“ Red Edizioni – Italy 1994 (book translated in French and Spanish but not in English, sorry).
14. Januar 2009 um 10:42 Uhr #3172517globulinchenTeilnehmerHallo popo,
ich hab schon mal mehrere Wochen Magnesium Chlorid eingenommen laut diesem Protokollhttp://www.zwar-beckhausen.de/heilmittel.pdf
leider keinerlei Verbesserung. Ich halte Dir die Daumen das es bei dir hilft.
Alles Gute globulinchen15. Januar 2009 um 12:29 Uhr #3172526KundaliTeilnehmerIch hau mir momentan immer normale Magnesiumtabetten rein. Helfen auch schon bei der Bekämpfung von Muskelkrämpfen. Versteh ich das richtig, dass dieses Magnesium Chlorid zur Heilung führen soll und nicht nur die Symptome lindern?
Evtl mal bei cpnhelp.org gucken ob dort jemand schon mal Erfahrungen damit gemacht hat.
Berichte mal bitte in regelmäßigen abständen, wie die Selbstbehandlung mit Magnesium Chlorid läuft. Würde mich stark interessieren
17. Januar 2009 um 12:33 Uhr #3172545popoTeilnehmerEs wirkt nur Magnesium Chlorid so – keine anderen magnesiumverbindungen in dem immunstimulierenden Zusammenhang. Steigerung der vorhandeenen weißen Blutkörperchen um 300 % (angeblich).
Obs hilft kann ich noch nicht sagen. Aber schaden tuts auf keinen fall und ist günstig. (lt.aussage Arzt und Apotheker) – wird sonst gern als adführmittel benutzt.
da magnesium eh bei fast allen cfs und cpn erkrankten zu niedrig ist , ist es für mich kein problem zu einer anderen Mg Verbindung zu wechseln.
Insbesondere enteroviren sollen empfindlich darauf sein , und die hab ich nämlich leider auch.Also falsch machen , kann man damit wohl nix. Günstig ist es auch noch – 100 gr 6 € in der Apotheke – Hersteller fagron. Ist Magnesium chlorid hexahydrat und schmeckt bitter. Bei der obenstehenden Mischanleitung nimmt mann dann so ungefähr 3g mg-chlorid p.d. zu sich.
Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva
18. Januar 2009 um 14:22 Uhr #3172561KundaliTeilnehmerAlso kann man das ganze eigentlich als Supplement während eines CAPs oder auch jetzt schon anstatt des gewöhnlichen Magnesiums nehmen?
Ich glaub ich hol mir das ganze auch mal. Muss eh zur Apotheke wegen Vitamin b12 und Vitamin C.
Kann ja eigentlich nur zum Vorteil sein. Muskelkrämpfe etc. werden ohnehin durch normales Magnesium reduziert und mit dem Zeug besteht zumindest die Chance das Immunsystem zu stärken 😉
19. Januar 2009 um 09:03 Uhr #3172573popoTeilnehmerGenau -sehe ich auch so! 30 gramm auf 1 liter wasser. und 125 ml – 250 davon am tag trinken. schaden tut man sich nicht damit.
Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva
21. Januar 2009 um 13:42 Uhr #3172608KundaliTeilnehmerSag mal. Wie messt ihr eigentlich die Mengen ab? Habt ihr euch so eine grammwage geholt?
21. Januar 2009 um 16:43 Uhr #3172611popoTeilnehmerja von soehnle im mediamarkt für unter 20 €. Mußt du aber nicht. Kannst 100 gramm auch in 3 oder 4 gleich große portionen (Messbecher hilft)aufteilen und dann in 1 l wasserflaschen füllen.
hast du dir mg chlorid geholt?
Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva
26. Januar 2009 um 12:36 Uhr #3172617KundaliTeilnehmerJop hab ich. Aber das Schmeckt ja echt Heftig Bitter. Ich hoffe mal, dass ich richtig dosiert hab 😉
25g/liter hab ich verwendet. Mischst du das ganze mit Saft oder etwas anderem?
edit: boah.. ich kriegs echt nicht runter 😉
26. Januar 2009 um 14:29 Uhr #3172618sunny2Teilnehmerhahahahahahahahaaaaaa….. wer schön sein will, muß leiden!!!!
Denk einfach dran, was die armen Bewohner im Dschungelcamp „Hilfe, ich bin ein Star, holt mich hier raus“ alles essen mußten….. da iss doch so ein bißchen Magnesiumchlorid ne Leichtigkeit, oder? Ansonsten schreibe ich morgen, daß Känguruh Hoden gegen Chlamydia pneumoniae hilft…… iiiiigiiiiiiittttt
lg,
sunny
P.S. Ich hab’s noch nicht probiert. Kämpfe aber z.Z. genug mit meiner Herxheimer Reaktion biem Wiedereinstieg ins Artemisin.27. Januar 2009 um 09:07 Uhr #3172619popoTeilnehmernee nur mit wasser – saft ist aber ok…
Male 35 years (Hamburg-Germany),CFIDS, IBS, Enterovirus, Cpn for years positive, Have treated Enterovirus with Inf-y,Inf-a.,Ribavirin. Started Wheldon Cap on 02/19/08, Currently NAC 1200, Doxy 2×100, clarithromycin 2×500, metro pulses, 12 g calcium pyruva
27. Januar 2009 um 11:07 Uhr #3172620KundaliTeilnehmerMh also entweder hab ich zu hoch dosiert oder ich weiß nicht. Auf jeden Fall ist das so unglaublich bitter und salzig, dass ich davon totalen Brechreiz bekomme 😉
27. März 2009 um 14:07 Uhr #3172955KundaliTeilnehmerWollt nur mal Nachfragen ob du durch das Magnesium Chloride auch andere Verbesserungen beobachten konntest.
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